Monday, April 16, 2012

A few thoughts on the Chupze-Case

Hey bitches,
i know you were expecting me to publish funny troll-content, but given recent events it looks like my first contribution to this blog will deal with a serious matter.
For those of you who haven't watched this evenings SWL-matches i will quickly sum up what happened: JG won the iCTF qualifiers, kicking w00p and vaQ out of the tournament. After both games various participants and spectators accused Chupze of using aim-hacks. Due to the matches being played without Anti-Cheat-Client there is at least the possibility he did. The SWL-Admins promised to review the demos and ban Chupze from the tournament if they find him guilty of cheating.

And this is where the problems begin: How can they tell? How can anyone tell? Like i said before the games were played without an anti-cheat-client, leaving us with only what we can see in the demos to base our judgement on.
The demos show the matches "from the servers perspective", so to speak, they resemble only the data received by the server. They don't contain any information on what's been going on client-side. We can watch the demos over and over again and point to suspicious frags, but how can we ultimately tell if they were just lucky-shots or the result of an aimbot/triggerbot? Also i'm not sure how the demos are affected by ping differences, it's quite possible they are not even 100% accurate.
By the way, personally i am convinced Chupze used cheats. Chupze is a great player for sure, you can tell by his impressive jumping-skills on reissen. But we can't deduce from that he hasn't turned on his cheats on occassions, just to make sure }JG{ would not accidentaly lose the match despite their potential. Some of the more important shots Chupze hit looked really strange and very similar to what i've seen from other people who evidently used cheats. This, combined with the fact some of his former clanmates (who i trust) testified he has access to cheats and used them frequently during public games, lead me to the conclusion he must be a hacker.
However, this is yet another problem. Clearly i'm not neutral on this matter since it was my clan he allegedly cheated against. And let's be honest, neither are most of the SWL-Admins. TheLove is his clanmate, KaZ was victim of his cheats. This means Achille will need to decide this case alone, forced to speak a verdict without real evidence.
This is a tough situation. Not banning chupze from the tournament will most likely result in a shitstorm because it all looks so obvious. Banning him on the other hand is likely to result in a shitstorm too because there's no real evidence. And you can't blame either side for being upset.
However, there is one thing you should bear in mind: If Chupze get's banned from SWL, it's his own fault. He's been caught cheating before, he must have been aware of the danger of losing his credibility. If people believe he's still cheating it's because of a mistake HE made in the past. And although there might be no way for us to prove he used cheats during this evenings games, he must not be surprised so many of us are absolutely certain he did.

Text written by Unlix

11 comments:

  1. "the fact some of his former clanmates (who i trust) testified he has access to cheats and used them frequently during public games, lead me to the conclusion he must be a hacker."
    After this, and after watching some demos i'm sure he use hacks in this SWL.
    Just a look at ictf allvsall, Chupze =145 frag, some other good player 110 -120 frag. This means that when he respawn just kill orher people in some place. There is a human response time that all people have (0.2 sec?). And we know that good player have good accuracy, see the Chupze accuracy's : is not high than 30% this seems to be combined!
    His kind of cheats is the most hard to find, just open and close his bot when it was convenient for his team!
    If i ware a JG i just ban him from my clan, i don't like cheats, but maybe some JG like them too?

    After 3 years of sauer,
    some player.

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  2. A solution could be to replay the ictf matchs but with the swl anticheat.

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  3. there WILL be evidence, just wait for it :)

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  4. Well, For sure he used/use cheat!! First comment is 100% right!!.

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  5. So he should is into of "Hall of Cheaters"??? why is not Taylon there???

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  6. First of all, i would be happy if we start using names in such a serious case :P
    All reasons causing my opinion about chupze were explained very well by Unlix.
    The rumor that some of the JGs using cheats aren't new neither there are baulletproof evidences for or against them. I think also thats it is not impossible to use a triggerbot while running an ACC, in way of extern programs. Afaik there is no way to proof them by 100%. I just want to remember to Asylums case (and i know there are different opinions about it even today), where aAsylum was disqualified after admins watching the demo
    (correct me if i`m wrong). So, I as apersona but also as a vaQ suggesta that some trusted people, like SWl admins, PSl admins,a if they are willing to do so, aor guys like Thomas1a watch those demos and decidea together wether he is cheating or nota, cause I don't see a chance for finding a 100% secure evidence!

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    1. many people still think the admins were wrong about asylum, and even if they weren't, it caused a lot of bad feelings at the time. As for thomas' demo watching skills, I can think of at least one instance in which he jumped to conclusions and banned an innocent player (Saiga|sp4nk; i know a few still aren't sure of his innocence but the ACC should clear this up very soon). TBF, thomas apologized for this, and was neither the first nor the last to ban Saiga, but it just goes to show that watching demos is not a good enough grounds for banning cheaters.

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  7. SWL Decision: http://swl-cube2.org/

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  8. HeLL: Achille pls update in menu +18 only "bitch of week"" the last one was awesome, not platic yeah :)

    well about chupze-case: I would like that ppl stop rage about this one, the swl admins will fit a client anticheat for next event so everyone can have again your chance. Also this will help to everyone a see a bit more clear that happened. A lot of you had played many years in sauer and can give a good opinion. But how this is not 100% sure and in the next event, all will be more right, pls go to wait.

    I also wnat give thx to swl organitation becouse they put up again this tournament that give to us funny time in sauer.

    Sry for my english :P

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